Minorities are enjoying full rights in Pakistan; Shahbaz Bhatti tells German MP ISLAMABAD: November 17, 2009. (The News) Member of the German Federal Parliament Mrs Marieluise Beck and Ambassador of Germany to Pakistan Dr. Michael Koch called on Minister for Minorities Affairs Shahbaz Bhatti here on Monday. During the meeting, matters pertaining to mutual interest and promoting inter-faith harmony came under discussion. The minister told the ambassador that the conditions to protect human rights are improving in the country under the umbrella of democratic government. He said that minorities are enjoying full rights in the country and there is complete religious harmony. Babar Munir: Its a lie. Please show him the tragedy of Gojra and what Govt did. Please tell minister that minority member can't become Prime Minister and President of Pakistan. Please tell him learn what does it means to have equal rights. If he wants to learn send him to me and I will give him full lecture that who are called minorities and how do they enjoy equal rights. Shameful statement Shakeel INAYATI: am agree with Babar, Christians of Pakistan's do not need a leader like him who does not know how the Christian of Pakistan are being discriminated, humiliated and forced to do inappropriate things which are complete against their faith and moral values. Where are those Christians who have voted for him. Mr. Shahbaz is great leader, he proved himself a true politician of Pakistan. How fast he forgot the incedent of Gojra. I think he meant about him and his family. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: HE SHOULD NOT FORGET HIS FEELOW COUNTRY MEN AND WOMEN IN PAKISTAN!! HOW TRAGIC IT IS EVERY DAY THAT CHRISTIANS ARE KILLED/PERSECUTED FOR THEIR RELIGION/FAITH HOW TRAGIC THEY CANNOT HAVE JOBS SAME AS MUSLIMS.. BECAUSE CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN ARE CONSIDERED SECOND CLASS CITIZEN!! Inderias Bhatti: Dear friends, The AUTHORITIES and INTERESTS do alter the psyche, attitudes and thinking patterns of individuals. This is one of the bitter actualities in human being. Anyhow the things will change when his position will change.... Read More Inderias Bhatti Shahbaz Sohail: Shahbaz Bhatti is not doing absolutely anything for the well being of Pakistani Christians, in fact he don't care about the Christians in Pakistan. His only interest is to save his job by what ever means. There are thousands of Christian youth in Pakistan who are well educated and can do far more better than him, he should feel shame to tell lies ... Read Moreand mislead international community about situation of minorities in Pakistan, otherwise Christians are suffering and living a very hard life in this country. My humble request to him is please resign immediately and let someone else do this job who is honest and really deserve it. Please leave the Pakistani Christians alone, and stop using their shoulder to make yourself rich. This is clear no Christian in Pakistan wants you at this post because you don't deserve it mate... Mtt Pakistan: Salam, Very well said. Indeed in Pakistan, the minorities are far bater than many other countries, include EU countries. Where religious freedom is set as target by powerful Anti-Religion enterpreneuristic group of people. Thanks.... Read More Raymond Wallace Durrani: Mtt Pakistan. I disagree with you - your assessment is totally baseless. It seems like Shahbaz Bhatti is on suicide mission. Yesterday at 6:48am · DeleteMtt PakistanDear Minister Theresa Bloodgood, You must be laughing at yourself, when you say so. The sources, the oppertunities and the freedom of religion and else is equelly available to everybody without discriminating. But I am assured by what you said, that you are not interested in sorting out the issues, but in keeping the issues alive. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: I agree with Raymond Durrani.. I know more about what goes on in PAKISTAN.. than in my own country!! and there is a reason why and how I know. FREEDOM OF RELIGION? O yes.. you can be free to be a Christian and live with the fact that you MIGHT NOT DIE A NATURAL DEATH, BUT RATHER BE "MURDERED" AS WERE THE CHRISTIANS IN GORJA AND MANY OTHER PLACES IN PAKISTAN. HONESTLY.. MTT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT OR A FIGHT. AND I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT. Raymond Wallace Durrani: MTT, we are talking about minority rights whether religious, social or political - Christians don't enjoy those rights equally in Pakistan. If they do have equal rights, why is than a minority member can not be Prime Minister, President, a High Commission, a Senator and or Chief of Armed Forces of Pakistan? Pakistan was founded only a 'state of Pakistan' why would they changed the constitution to call it ' Islamic Republic of Pakistan' - that is when minorities lost their rights. You want to give minorities equal rights - restore the 1948 constitution back to its original form. In late 1940s Mr Samuel Berg from Martin Pur was the last Christian Ambassador in Washington DC, USA Pakistan had It is been downhill from there - figure that out now, my friend. ... Read More Shahbaz Sohail: MITT must be some relative of Shahbaz Bhatti, who is gaining advantages of his corruption. Mtt Pakistan: Dear Raymond, I really do not know if S Bhatti is on suicide mission or not. But what I know is that the assessment is not wrong. In America, the cia enters spies in mosque and trap Muslims, UK owns world's biggest state owned racist organization BBC, in France, not only Muslims but all religions including Christianity is forced to die. Do you ... Read More really believe that Pakistan is worse than France in terms of religious freedom? Theresa, there is a saying in Pakistan that when women says no, it means yes. Therefore, I assume your real motive is to start fight, which I am not going to do. As far as your knowledge is concern, I am not questioning that. May be you know more than any other Pakistani. Infect, you need such in-depth information of the country, you are working on. There is no place named GORJA in Pakistan. If you are talking about GOJRA, that is in India. What kind of knowledge, you posses. While you can't tell the name of the city correctly??? Minister Theresa Bloodgood: MAYBE SO. I know this much, No minority has rights in PK and it is a shame. All that is happening there and now WAR.. such a beautiful country [land wise] torn to shreds!! and when I do see it on my television it makes it even that much worse. Every day Pakistan is in our news here in my country.. and then also I have to listen to how the PEOPLE OF... Read More PAKISTAN ARE ALL MUSLIMS, TERRORISTS.. AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF GARBAGE, THAT I KNOW IS NOT!! I SAY IS NOT TRUE!! FOR ALTHOUGH I HAVE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE LAND, THROUGH THE INTERNET I HAVE MET MANY CHRISTIANS, AND OTHERS.. THESE ARE NOT TERRORISTS. AND I CRY. HOW TERRIBLE IT IS THAT ONE IS BORN IN A COUNTRY AND YET THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS THAT THEIR OTHER COUNTRY MEN HAVE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED A MINORITY BECAUSE OF RELIGION OR SOMETHING ELSE! Raymond Wallace Durrani: MTT. Please stop your lameduck arguement. In USA, UK, Canada and any other western or European country Muslims have more rights than they enjoyed before coming there from the respective Muslim countries, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia Indonesia and few to mention. How do I know it - because have been in the West for the past 36+ years and am a retired ... Read Moreofficer of the government of Pakistan. Even the Agency I was working for, Muslims have more rights than the native Canadians and Christians from other countries. Now, figure this one out - and please don't argue without a background rational. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: MTT_- MAYBE I SPELLED WRONG BUT I KNOW WHAT CITY I AM TOALKING ABOUT AND YOU ALSO DO KNOW..IT IS GOJRA...LOCATED IN PUNJAB, PAKISTAN.. A CHRISTIAN COLONY THERE. THE ARTICLE ABOUT HOW THE MUSLIMS WENT IN AND BURNT THE HOMES. IF AM NOT MISTAKEN 7 PEOPLE BURNED TO DEATH!! >>> http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/viewnews.php?newsid=1462 THE TIME IS ... Read More COMMING VERY SOON.. WHERE EVEN IN THE USA, THERE WILL NOT BE FREEDOMS. ALREADY AS A MINISTER WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PREACH OR TEACH AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE IT IS CALLED A HATE CRIME.. YET IN THE OLD TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE AS WELL AS THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE BIBLE GOD / JESUS SAYS ALL OF THOSE WILL BE CONDEMNED!! I SUGGEST YOU LISTEN TO YOUR FELLOW COUNTRY MAN MR. DURRANI Minister Theresa Bloodgood: AS FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT HOW IN PAKISTAN A WOMAN'S NO MEANS YES.. THAT IS WORLDWIDE!! IT IS A SAYING STARTED BY A MAN AS MOST SAYINGS ARE.. BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT! Raymond Wallace Durrani: He/she is wife of Zardari and I accept his choice of partnership - he/she, Shahbaz Bhatti has the right. Mtt PakistanRaymond: In USA, a Muslim or a jew can also not be a president or can he? if we apply doctored doctrine on USA, the minority situation in USA is same as in Pakistan. What you say? A Muslim can't be a president in USA, nor in UK, where only a catholic in one and protestant in another country could be a president and a prime minister. Is it not true? While Pakistan is 97% Muslim population. UK has only 70% Christian population. We reserved more than 10% seats in Parliaments for non-Muslims, who many percent of British Parliament and American are fixed for non-Christian??? Pakistan was founded on the name of Islam. Mr. Jinnah, the founding Governor Gen. of Pakistan had once said that we do not want to obtain just piece of land but a country, which will act as Islamic laboratory and Islamic principals of social justice will be adopted? Unfortunately, there was no constitution in 48, perhaps, you are talking about Mr. Jinnah's speech of 48, which is usually interpreted wrongly by the liberals minorities Pakistan. This is the only part of minorities, which I do not want to see in power, by the way. Mtt Pakistan: Theresa, first you claimed that you know more than anyone else and now you saying that you never stepped a foot in Pakistan. Do you really think that by not visiting Pakistan, you know Pakistan than any one else in the world.??? I shall suggest you to enhance your knowledge about Pakistan, before you talk about this country. The garbage is in your mind, not anywhere in Pakistan.... Read More Thanks. Mtt Pakistan: Shahbaz, S bhatti sahab mere mame k put nai ha, so dont' worry about that. Raymond Wallace Durrani: MTT: USA has a muslim President now. What are you talking about. There was a constitution in, although a draft. This this constitution has been amended everytime a new dictator or Prime Minister comes in. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: I DIDN'T SAY I KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.. GO BACK AND READ WHAT I DID SAY.. I SAID I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT PAKISTAN THAN I KNOW OF MY OWN COUNTRY.. SO DONT GO TWISTING MY WORDS Minister Theresa Bloodgood: THANK YOU MR DURRANI!! FOR SAYING THAT THE USA PRESIDENT IS A MUSLIM~~ MANY CHRISTIANS HERE IN THE US VOTED FOR HIM SAYING NO HE IS NOT MUSLIM HE IS CHRISTIAN.. AND I TRIED TO TELL THEM OTHERWISE.. FOR [AND PLEASE DO CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG] OUR PRESIDENT'S FATHER AND STEP FATHER BOTH WERE MUSLIM.. THEREBY UNDER ISLAM THAT ALSO MAKES OUR PRESIDENT... Read More MUSLIM.. FOR IF!! HE WERE TO CONVERT~~ UNDER SHARIA LAW THERE WOULD BE "ORDERED" A FATWA[?] AND HE WOULD BE "HUNTED DOWN AND KILLED" FOR DISHONORING ISLAM BY CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY. AS I SAID, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG..BUT YEAH.. BARRACK OBAMA IS MOST DEFINATELY MUSLIM!! Raymond Wallace Durrani: Minister Teresa Bloodgood: I am done with MTT. To me he lost the agreement. You may continue if you want to but I am out of it now. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: THINK I'M OUT OF IT ALSO.. BESIDES.. I been down in bed for 2 days because my white blood cell count got very low due to my chemo treatments. GOD bless you all!!! Mtt Pakistan: Raymond, what rights are available to the Muslims in America and how they are entertained, it is known to everybody. Raising flag of justice does not necessarily mean that they are not raising off the Muslims. As far as obama is concern. All know his Muslim father etc. But don’t' try to make fool yourself and others by saying he is a Muslim. This is very common in the societies like US has to have fathers and mothers from different religions. Obama is one of them. May be you would like to tell us the constitutional position of USA. Illustrate, what US constitution sya, who could be the president? Instead of forcing others to shut their mouths, you better enhance your tolerance levels. theresa, it is no surprise to me if you are a minister in your country. As far as your this saying is concern that soon there will be time when there will be no freedom in USA too. I can agree with that. But you need to be more realistic and optimistic than pessimistic. And instead of leg pulling of others in other countries, better concentrate on your country. again Raymond, there is big difference in a constitution and draft constitution. A draft constitution keep changing in the process. And this particular was never finalized. So which parts of this uncompleted constitution you are talking about? It is sad if you served in civil service of Pakistan. If this is the level of your knowledge. As far as I know, the retired civil servants are proved to be very informative and do not call draft constitution, a constitution. What you say?... Read More Thanks. Minister Theresa Bloodgood: MTT.. WELCOME TO THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF AMERICA!! Raymond Wallace Durrani: Take care of yourself Minister Teresa Bloodgood. I hope you feel better soon. God/Jesus Bless you and those who love him and seek him. Adnan WilsonIs: this True Mr.Bhatti??? Sunny Gill: He's Right His family is ENJOYING full rights in Pakistan and for him his family is whole CHRISTIAN MINORITIES of Pakistan Nazir S Bhattiyes: its true news and published in The News of Jang Group Nelson S. Alfred: I can understand the thought process of the MTT Pakistan in their different manifestations as they wreak mayhem for the Christians living across Pakistan. He believe in a cause, and is willing to kill and die for it. he happen to abhor everything that is Christian and will go to any length to see it eradicated., but at least I know where his ... Read Morethought process is coming from and what they want. However, what I cannot grasp is the position is when he want him and Pakistan to be a modern, prosperous country that is part of the rest of the world. He also seem to want to live in the 21st century with the rest of us. Basically, their hatred for America has blinded him to the real threat these extremists pose. Perhaps he imagine that if western troops were to leave Afghanistan tomorrow, peace would return to the region overnight and Muslims will be able to create caliph and reconquire the world once again. Institutionalized or covert discrimination to which Christians are subjected in Pakistan, accompanied by occasional eruptions of anti-Christian violence by the Muslim majority have contributed to an exodus that threatens to eradicate the believers in Christ in the Pakistan. IMAGINE if a Hindu or Christian officer in the Pakistan army had shot dead 13 soldiers and wounded 40 in a lethal rampage. Think of the backlash in a country where our minorities are so badly treated at the best of times. Nelson S. Alfred: Fortunately, beyond heated speculation about his motive, and the odd threat, there has been no violence following Major Nidal Malik Hasan’s unprovoked attack on his fellow soldiers at the US army base in Fort Hood in Texas. In this case, there are several aspects to his identity, and religion assumes first, only and ultimate and overwhelming proportions, dominating and subsuming all others. This is when such individuals can turn against their fellow beings in a nihilistic outburst of violence. To rationalize this act, they cite their religious belief, as if their faith is superior to all others and somehow justifies killing innocent people. Major Hasan’s rampage has raised deeply troubling questions, and no doubt his trial will ensure that this debate over identity and loyalty will resonate for a long time. No doubt, too, that many Muslims around the world condone and even admire his murderous attack.... Read More Nelson S. Alfred: The minister told the ambassador that the conditions to protect human rights are improving in the country under the umbrella of democratic government. He said that minorities are enjoying full rights in the country and there is complete religious harmony. LOL does anyone has to comment on it and make it dignified, we all know the ground reality. I can bet rat’s ass that even the clerk of any other minister has more rights than our Mr. Bhatti. Wake up Bhatti and smell the coffee Minister Theresa Bloodgood: MR. NELSON.. PLEASE POUR ANOTHER CUP.. think I'm gonna need it..LOL Qaiser Ayub: Dear Mr. Mtt Pakistan, I had many friends from India even who are Muslims if you really want to know what is the meaning of democracy ask them they are proud to be Indian. Check their Film industry, i received daily email saying that Christians in Pakistan are enjoying full rights in Pakistan. if it is true then what about all prosecution going on in Pakistan. ... Read More There was no need of separate country in 1947 because at time every thing was fine as well. Today Muslims and Christians in India are more stable then we are. There are so many cases who never came in the media. Brother i think you are from some other planet same like Mr. Shahbaz who is like a kite with his string in some other hands. Nawaz Salamat: We Can only pray that God should give Mr. Shahbaz Bhatti the eyes with which he can see the real position of christians in Pakistan. I cant believe that how Can he say This that we are enjoying rightsssssss in Pakistan. Bishop Ijaz Inayat: A press conference in Islamabad on coming Sunday may deal with some of the issues. Zafar IqbalVERY SAID.ALL some happened in Gojra and other places in Pakistan against Christians were harmony? Why Mr Bhatti is avoiding to telling the truth ? Bishop Ijaz Inayat: I invite all who claim equal rights are available in Pakistan for a sleep over in one of the Christian slums for a night at least. Bishop Ijaz Inayat: I wish it was true. Kamil Nasir: WHAT THE HELL IS MINISTER TALKING ABOUT. IF THE CHRISTIANS OR OTHER MINORITIES HAVE OR ARE ENJOYING EQUAL RIGHTS THAN THERE WAS NO NEED FOR MR.SHAHBAZ BHATTI TO GIVE EXPLAINATIONS. NOTHING IS IMPROVING REGARDING CONDIITONS AND EQUAL RIGHTS. minister shahib ko bhi papi pait ki khatir kya kya jhoot bolnay partay hain. Samson Tariq: This is not true, I think there are several problems minorities especially Christians are facing in Pakistan. 295 B & C are hung sword for us which are misused by the majority people, prosecution going on in Pakistan under these laws. So many hurdles in job opportunities, discrimination, no proper representation in NA of Pakistan, Provincial ... Read MoreAssemblies, no representations in Upper house of Pakistan. Minorities kept in critical situations always. Mr Shahbaz Bhatti needs to work on minority rights if he can. Nelson S. Alfred: Hey Folks Minister Bhatti daily mantra these days is Baap Bada no Bhayia , sub say bada rupeia Have you all heard of the spirit of Jezebal and Judas , one is spirit of power, privilege and lies and the other is of 30 pieces of silver, Our yes minister is slave of the both. In the Tanakh (the Hebrew Scriptures and the Old Testament), Jezebel is the Phoenician queen of ancient Israel. Her story is told in 1st and 2nd Kings.[1] She is introduced as a Phoenician princess, the daughter of King Ethobaal of Tyre. Her father was the king of the Phoenician empire. Jezebel marries King Ahab of the Northern Kingdom during the time the nation of Israel was divided into Northern (Israel) and Southern (Judah) kingdoms. She turns Ahab away from Yahweh and toward the worship of Phoenician god, Baal.[1]... Read More Ahab and Jezebel let temples of Baal operate in Israel, and the pagan religion receives royal patronage. Furthermore, the queen uses her control over Ahab to lead the Hebrews into idolatry, sexual immorality and subjects them to tyranny. After she has the prophets of Yahweh slaughtered, the prophet Elijah challenges 450 prophets of Baal to a test (1 Kings 18), exposes their god as powerless, has them slaughtered (1 Kings 18:40), and incurs Jezebel's furious enmity. After Ahab's death, Jezebel continues to rule through her son Ahaziah. When Ahaziah is killed in battle, she exercises control through her other son, Jehoram. As recounted in 2Kings 9:1-10, Yahweh speaks through Elijah's successor, the prophet Elisha, and has one of his servants anoint Jehu as king in Jehoram's place, adding: "You are to destroy the house of Ahab your master." Acting on this divine commission for revolution, Jehu kills King Jehoram as he attempts to flee in his war chariot. Jehu then confronts Jezebel in Jezreel and urges her eunuchs to kill the queen mother by throwing her out of a window. They comply, tossing her out of the window and leaving her in the street to be eaten by dogs. Only Jezebel's skull, feet, and hands remain. Nelson S. Alfred: Nawaz Salama, Hope this will open the eyes of minister Open the eyes of my heart, Lord Open the eyes of my heart I want to see You I want to see You... Read More Open the eyes of my heart, Lord Open the eyes of my heart I want to see You I want to see You To see You high and lifted up Shinin' in the light of Your glory Pour out Your power and love As we sing holy, holy, holy Open the eyes of my heart, Lord Open the eyes of my heart I want to see You I want to see You Open the eyes of my heart, Lord Open the eyes of my heart I want to see You I want to see You To see You high and lifted up Shinin' in the light of Your glory Pour out Your power and love As we sing holy, holy, holy Holy, holy, holy We cry holy, holy, holy You are holy, holy, holy I want to see you Holy, holy, holy Holy, holy, holy You are holy, holy, holy I want to see you Babar Munir: MTT. i am Christian and I want to open a food store in Gawalmandi Lahore. Please tell every body that this shop is owned by Babar and he is Chrsitian. Stand with me and I will tell you how many days I can run that shop and how many customer will come to eat. In USA and EU including Muslim every one can have food shop and people will eat. You gave ... Read More10% quota because there is no way that Chrsitian can be nominated from geberal seat.Give me one TV talk show where Minorities can speak boldely. I will send you thousands links in USA tv shows where minorities bombarding on tv shows. I hope it will help If not carry on and I will bring those things in your notice which you never even think Junaid Qaiser: I know Shahbaz Bhatti very well, he is biggest liar and most dishonest person...