Punjabi Christians planning to break Pakistan? By ameerhamza


August 3rd, 2008 @ 12:52 PM Breaking News!!, Media, New Developments, Politics I am horrified by the voting being done presently at the following website: http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/voting_result.php?id=51 It belongs to Pakistan Christian Post and the polling asks this from its voters: Christian population is 18% of Punjab but deprived of resources of province and state. Do you support demand of Separate Christian Province on division of Punjab? To which 71% have said yes while 29% have said no. What kind of govt. is this which cannot even handle such affairs. And what is ISI doing? For me, this looks very dangerous. Now imagine what would happen if Punjabi Christians living an Karachi - and there are lot of them around sweeping, cleaning, working as electrical contractors, in police, etc - rise up, resort to violence and ask for independence. It is very clear from the polling at website that it is yet another measure by our enemies to make Pakistan as weak as possible. We are already under pressure on many fronts including, but not limited to, Kashmir, FATA, Baluchistan insurgency, economic crisis, political instability, and a rising war chorus on Iranian border. What do we do now? I think the best course would be to hear all the grievances of Christian community of Pakistan, which is primarily made of Punjabis, and alleviate their problems. We have seen rising problems of Church burning or damaging, targeting Christians and other minorities, and labelling them as second rate citizens. But we cannot open or afford to open another war front in the heart of Pakistan. There has to be a solution to all these problems. Related posts: 1. Karachiites , the first one to speak ? 2. Recap of a Voter - NA250 By-Election 3. Shoaib Akhtar’s Ban Postponed for a Month 4. Karachi’s western border off limits to Punjabis? 5. Rumour - breaking news ShareThis 25 Comments so far 1. ameerhamza August 3rd, 2008 12:58 pm This is what John Taimoor, Minister at Large of The Crossberers. USA, has to say in his long letter to the Christian Post: "Biblically speaking, Pakistan is ready for the harvest. Evangelistically speaking, the harvest is for short period. We must harvest now or else it will go bad. PTL for God has chosen us, you and me for the harvest time such as this. We need to be like the sons of Ischaar who understood God’s hour, the fulfillment and maturation of time (1 Chronicles 12:32; Luke 19:44)…" and further, "The Father see His purpose and glory only in the Son. Only Christ will change this nation for good for He is the Savior of Pakistani. I do not say it casually, I mean it and live by this passion. Islamacising has failed. This nation is gone in to a decaying mode. So called moderate Islamic government of Musharaf is replaced by by the fanatic feudal lords, Nawabs and Pirs, setting stage for more intense spiritual warfare. Thanks in part to shortsighted diplomacy and abundant investment of Americans and European marketers. Spiritual warfare in Pakistan is not only an option but urgent but imminent. The anarchy and Mullacracy will collapse when we, the redeemed recognize who we are in Christ and depend on Divine recourses!" Who else but the enemies of Pakistan and Muslims can write this. 2. ameerhamza August 3rd, 2008 12:58 pm Link to above mentioned quote: http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/lettertoeditor.php 3. Afreen (afreen) August 3rd, 2008 1:50 pm How is this related to Karachi? 4. d0ct0r August 3rd, 2008 1:59 pm Well every one these days want a separate province(or a independent state altogether) , Altaf bai wants a separate province,Christians want a separate province, Saraikis want a separate province, non paktoon in NWFP are against pakhtoonkhwa(NWFP’s new name) and maybe they too want a separate province. Baluchistan’s opportunist Sardars want to safeguard their own interests instead of their poor public’s and want a seprate state altogether.(oman,Bahrain and other gulf states are role model for them) 5. sceptic August 3rd, 2008 2:04 pm Why this hate-mongering at this forum? If anti-Pakistanism is an issue, just look around in Karachi where you can find hordes of fundos hellbent on breaking Pakistan by suicide-bombings, preaching hate from the pulpit in the name of Allah, polluting impressionable minds with their venomous views. The Christian forum is only voting and asking for views from our fellow Pakistanis on their continuous persecution under the guise of religion; it is not educating them to blow themselves (and many others) up for the sake of higher rewards in the life hereafter. We don’t treat Christians, our Paki citizens, better than third-rate humans, choorahs at best, and then expect them to swallow it all without a murmer. Remove this post or make it balanced by highlighting the grievances of the Christian community. 6. d0ct0r August 3rd, 2008 2:06 pm On the other hand disgraced dictator Pervaiz Musharraf and his terrorist mates from MQM are meeting up here in karachi for the second time in less then a month,definitely cooking up some thing sinister(earlier threat of Nazim Karachi Mustafa Kudal’s to change the geographics of this region,then those 7 simultaneous bomb blasts, definitely ‘Terrorization of Karachi’ is underway 7. Kashif Aziz (kashaziz) August 3rd, 2008 4:30 pm I will rate this post as extremely discriminatory. Look what we are doing with them. When Balochs and Pashtoons are rising for their rights, why not them? And don’t take their threat lightly. If they go on strike for a week, things will be really "messy" for us. 8. hum8 August 3rd, 2008 6:22 pm This is was one of the most inflammatory posts I have come across on metblogs. This is the exact same knee jerk reaction displayed by the military and the rest of the bourgeoisie in the late sixties that ‘oh they don’t like us, lets a - keep on ignoring them and b - if they continue to hate us, we will fix it with force..’ that cost us East Pakistan. And may end up costing Baluchistan too. Let us stop for a moment and consider if their grievances are genuine and justified. A little bit of introspection will not kill us. Ask if Christians in Pakistan are being treated with social equality, justice and why are they still the poorest of the poor. I would suggest keeping the ISI out of this, unless you really want to mess this up too… 9. binaryzero August 3rd, 2008 7:13 pm before i comment on the website quoted - i’m more worroed & suspicious about the feeling and thinking of author of this blog. Punjabi is a very strong word and i concider it as a N word - you cannot use a word Punjabi so openly and you definately owe an opology. First time in my life i heared this word in Karachi eventhough i belong to Lahore and was wondering howcome i can be Punjabi not a Pakistani ? And regarding your post - i know how many christians work in my company, how many christians have taught me one of the best education in Pakistan and how good they live. so i’m not worried about this post where i smell hatred and anti-Pakistan element - I am more worried about Karachi and Hyderabad being planned for a Jinnah Poor ! 10. Jamash (jamash) August 3rd, 2008 7:31 pm Ooh Look at those kids, looking so innocent, these verminous creatures, these bloody uneducated penniless people. They don’t have a right to even think about ever raising there heads, lets chop those two heads clean, off there frill body, and sent them flying to the heap of dirt which they have been cleaning for us for decades, before they can of even think of as much as squeaking in front of us. Oh, Excuse me, I just puked ! 11. ameerhamza August 3rd, 2008 8:23 pm I have already clearly noted in my blog, ‘…grievances of Christian community of Pakistan, which is primarily made of Punjabis, and alleviate their problems. We have seen rising problems of Church burning or damaging, targeting Christians and other minorities, and labelling them as second rate citizens’. The website I earlier quoted has following grievances: 1) They want a separate electorate. 2) They are 20 million strong but have no voice. 3) They want to know why they cannot run for the posts of President of Pakistan or PM of Pakistan? 4) They want to know who killed some of their important members. 5) They want to have more security for their people and their churches. All are just demands but polling for a separate country is not justified. All these things have been happening to Muslims in West and in India as well (barring item no. 3) yet a separate homeland is never tolerated. And just for the record, this letter by un-named person at the same website must open your eyes: ‘Dear Dr. BhattirnI would like to take opportunity and reply the news of May 20, 2008. Which is published in Pakistan Christian Post’. Further, in a fit of anger at some rogue comment, author says, ‘…What are you doing here in Britain? Go back and preach your dirty teaching in your own people and rape each other’s women. Who are just like you? I hope you have sisters and daughters and wife with you here. If you say this kind of word to non-Muslims. Then I really support and encourage all non-Muslims to rape yours wife and daughters and also the person who back up you Anjem Chaudary’s wife and sisters and daughters too. This is not my teaching but I want to talk to you in your language, which you understand. I really hate people like you both. You disgrace your religion, which teaches you this kind of lesson, and your country you belong you are shame for your peoples. You should not be Imam. Which kind of Allah you believe who tells you to rape non-Muslims women. Don’t preach this Allah tells you (Muslims) to rape non-Muslims women.’ http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/lettertoeditor.php If this is the standard of Christian Post I really think Pakistani Intelligence agencies have a lot of work to do. 12. obiwankenobe August 3rd, 2008 8:33 pm Punjab has 56% of Pak population and claiming 18% of them are xtians , that would mean 10+% Pak population xtian. I am sure that Pakistan does not have so many xtians so all this is moot. Besides this is their right to protest for any thing. I am not sure why people point out to the law that why some non muslim can’t be president or PM of Pakistan. I guess we can pass the law for that to kill the argument, there is no way, they can be president of Pakistan. Pak has 97% muslim population and I am sure that people would never be voting for any non muslim for such vital post. Even in America, people would not vote Obama if he were muslim. I would not use word "hate" as it is a strong word but people generally do not like Punjabi Bureaucracy. No one has nothing to do with common citizen of Punjab but if Punjab keep sucking our money then we are in war against them. Please watch the vdu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b41M5EU2N1s 13. tzaidi August 3rd, 2008 8:37 pm Pakistan is for Pakistanis, anyone who doesnt want to live in present day Pakistan is more than welcome to leave. We have already lost half of our country in 1971 and noone want same story again. lets unite and keep the Pakistani spirit high!! 14. ameerhamza August 3rd, 2008 8:38 pm That’s my point: Hatred is not towards a common Punjabi as so many commentators have perceived. 15. d0ct0r August 3rd, 2008 8:39 pm poor textile mill workers,oil tanker owners,ptcl workers etc etc also have lots of grievances would they also start demanding a separate province? big question is Would just simply making new provinces solve all the problem for them and others ? Christian missionaries lure and give financial aid,education to their children and other incentives to these poverty stricken people. same is the modus operandi of Agha Khan Foundation 16. d0ct0r August 3rd, 2008 8:45 pm non christian poor here also complains of being deprived of resources of province and state,so basically its not just some discrimination against Christians alone,its the incompetence on the part of government which is unable to take care of its own people, just making/diving provinces like crazy isn’t the solution and won’t solve a single problem. 17. IUnknown (iunknown) August 3rd, 2008 8:49 pm such christians and all such persons must alwasy be kicked out of our country IMMEDIATELY. LET US LIVE Jis thaali main khatey hain usi main sorakh kertay hain. For those, who are calling at as inflamatory post or discrimination, why they take banana in their mouths when there haave been posts against religiious community? Such double standards have always been followed by hypocrites and i wonder if hypocrite is enough for such persons or "hypocrites X 1000" 18. d0ct0r August 3rd, 2008 10:08 pm that stupid poll really didn’t deserve a blog post here.do a similar poll on a shia/beralvi/ahmedi/aga khani etc etc sites and you would get similar results, 1001 different types of relegions/sect have been invented ever since creation of pakistan, we really can’t have 1001 provinces.. 19. binaryzero August 3rd, 2008 10:48 pm Mr. Ameer Hamza Simple point is - this is not a personal blog and it belongs to Karachi; by posting above post - you are representing Karachi people and writing on their behalf. Besied, i wonder why the hell one would concider posting this cheap item on a city blog ! As being senior member of MetBlogs, i would recommend you to delete this post and keep it in junk ! 20. jahanara August 4th, 2008 3:01 am baccho…pakistan kaisey bana tha…. aisey heee…. If we continue to treat our christian brothers and sisters like the way we do, such things will happen.. 21. zeeshan August 4th, 2008 5:53 am I am not sure about christians but I do know that Punjabis really are doing what it would take to break a country. We don’t need India, US or any other ocuntry to come destroy us. We are doing it ourselves :) 22. zeeshan August 4th, 2008 5:55 am binaryzero August 3rd, 2008 10:48 pm Mr. Ameer Hamza Simple point is - this is not a personal blog and it belongs to Karachi; by posting above post - you are representing Karachi people and writing on their behalf. Besied, i wonder why the hell one would concider posting this cheap item on a city blog ! As being senior member of MetBlogs, i would recommend you to delete this post and keep it in junk ! ————————————- What a LOAD OF TOTAL CRAP you idiot! And what about ALL the god damn political posts TEETH MISTRESS puts up!? WHAT THE HELL DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT YOU F***G RETARD!? Do you ever say THIS thing to HIM? Or do you guys keep taking it up the butt and support your pals with their own god damn political agendas. F***g retards!!! Now, SHUT THE F*** UP! 23. ameerhamza August 4th, 2008 9:08 am Zeeshan: Using abusive language won’t solve issues. That was my point when I quoted the un-named person from Chrisitan Post. Thank you. 24. Tariq Khanani (tariqkhanani) August 4th, 2008 9:27 am Ameer Hamza Dont mind but most of your posts depict that you want Pakistan to break, "Punjabi", "Chritian" these are not the proper words to use here plz. And if u knw, what Christians are demanding today, was our demand in 1940, which lead to creation of Pakistan 25. shamsi August 4th, 2008 4:26 pm Ameer Hamza, You started 3 topics…. ALL HATE Focused & related. a. Punjabis Banned on Southern Border of Karachi., 30 July b. Punjabi Christians, 3rd August c. KESC burn down, 30 July Live A Life, Please

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